My only concern is ( and understand my heart because I’m wrestling through all the religious garbage of a works based life of performance vs experiencing the empowering grace of God) is that it seems very emotionally based and assumptive, your argument that is, instead of being more factual and clear. It’s powerless.

Hi Robert the slippery slope is preaching salvation by the law or works and maintenance of it by law. We have plenty of evidence that you are unaware of.

Answer: Hebrews 12:2 says that we should be “fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. If it is ok for God to abuse us and use us harshly why does Jesus harshly condemn anyone who makes a little one to stumble? Please see this post entitled, “8 ways to get your grace questions answered.“. Like any parent does with their children.

We’ve gotten a little off topic here. My Abba does not abuse His children.

Jemz Haorongbam Peace to you. Jesus said “I am the WAY, the truth, and the life no one comes to the father but thru me” so if you take what Jesus said here into consideration then yes the father did scourge everyone he took as his son thru His Son Jesus. We didn’t toss all sense of right & wrong. I agree whole heartedly with you. This is not quoted literally from the Hebrew, but from the Septuagint.

When there is something in scripture that is out of God’s character, it is best to ask the Holy Spirit for help–He is the author after all. This would not be consistent with the teaching of propitiation nullifying gods gift at the cross. I would not have stood a chance or gives us a strong disernment not to go to a peodophiles home cuz he would lock me up and he ended up on tv, cuz he locked up many girls, I could have been the next so I beleive in that kind of stopping. From para and dechomai; to accept near, i.e.

If you allow the children to be the ones in authority and always give in to them, everything they want, you will spoil them.

), Submission doesn’t mean what you think it means, 6 awesome things that will happen when Christ returns.

Grace is not something you practice nor is it something that develops after you have created intimacy with God.

Deuteronomy 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. To get what Hebrews 12:6 means based on its source text, scroll down or follow these links for the original scriptural meaning , biblical context and relative popularity. Jesus received the scourging for all humanity. and grow in your knowledge of the Bible with videos highlighting It is figurative in the sense that He will “discipline” His sheep.

Hebrews was written in Hebrew, or 1. 2Tim 2:11

I can’t say I agree with saying the scripture is translated wrong, otherwise I would question all scripture that I don’t initially understand to fit my view.

Beating His children almost but not quite to death for sins He cannot even see or remember any more? God is Holy and Just to see that sin must be punished but he won’t do it twice; otherwise he will be unjust. He stopped me from walking to go on a train that crashed and killed a number of people and he stepped in my left leg and moved it slowly by a fraction of a secon to stop me being killed by a maniac that drove as thou he was in a race track. ‘scourgeth’: mastigoō; Strongs: G3148; to flog (literally or figuratively): – scourge. Thanks! Let’s just strip out stuff that we don’t like and change words to suit our sensibilities. Looking forward to hearing more in the coming posts! we must remember that God also has a wrath, but his wrath is just , because He does it in love, try letting your kids do any and everything, just because you say you love them, it will simply mean that you don”t love corrects spiritually and physically! He does it out of love, the same way a parent will rebuke and discipline a child. Last chance to get your name in Paul’s book, First look at Paul’s new book (and how to get your name in it! From kuros; supreme in authority, i.e. Isn’t it odd that hyper-grace proponents always cry legalism every time someone disagrees with them? In the years leading up to the siege, Jerusalem was Dodge City, and Judea was the Wild West. For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and whips every son whom he receives. He really is just trying to rescue his own and set us free from sin and its affects. As you can see from the above post I don’t assume that the English translation I am reading is flawless and I won’t crucify anyone over arguments about words. Our own sins can cause us harm but not the Lord for “mercy and peace kissed each other” at the cross. ( Log Out /  he cares enough to bring life-giving correction, anyone with a concordance can see for themselves.

Another staff member who preaches a mixture of law and sometimes grace, rebuked me with this very scripture verse. No wonder many Believers still think they are going to hell cuz they are not being taught, blessed assurance; but rather, the rath of God. First, there was the Jewish form of scourging which involved the application of a leather whip to your shoulders and chest.

Did He say “oh you of little faith”, did he say “how long must I put up with you”, did He say “why did you doubt”, did he castigate them for being hard of heart?

Halleluiah Halleluiah Halleluiah, glory in the highest. A sharp telling off. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. If we live in continuous sin like fornicating, the very act of sin can cause harm to our bodies.

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